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Venice Queen · Sep 01, 2006, 03:46 PM // 15:46

RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO you, Arena-net

This is RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing bullshit

tomcruisejr · Sep 01, 2006, 03:47 PM // 15:47

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Originally Posted by Poison Ivy

Also, in GW, of course buying a Hammer does not make you a good cabnet maker, but this is GW, you have to be a good cabnet maker to get the parts for a hammer.

good cabinet maker only makes good cabinet. usually the hammer parts or the tools that he need, he can buy in home depot, be provided by someone or make them by himself.

Antheus · Sep 01, 2006, 03:49 PM // 15:49

I don't know about others, but when I choose to pvp, I use 8 skills, one of which is elite.

That means, if I have none of those skills, I need to buy them with either faction or cash in PvE part. Elite must be captured.

After having 1 character that has completed PvE part, it will take me maximum of 2 hours to unlock ANY build I'd want to play on a any pvp character.

Why does then unlocking everything make a balancing issue? If you're really strictly pvp only player, then you should have more faction than you can spend anyway, and unlocking 8 skills for any build you choose should take two hours tops as well.

So really, I simply don't see correlation between anyone getting the advantage, except that some people considered having UAS already something of a bragging right, where in reality, it was just a convenience, since you didn't need to spend minimal ammount of time doing pve to unlock the one you needed right now.

And it does make things much easier for newcomers interested only in pvp, especially if they only buy Factions.

Neriandal Freit · Sep 01, 2006, 03:51 PM // 15:51

You know, not to be backseat modding here, but I really think we need to go ahead and lock this thread up because I feel a huge Guild War coming upon us in this thread.

Meaning One Side V. Other Side.

SpeedyKQ · Sep 01, 2006, 03:55 PM // 15:55

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Firstly, I think most people will accept that the complexities of PvE, such as they are, don't really exist till post-ascention. A perceived edge pre-desert is so minute to be nonexistant - you're not gaining an edge against anything but the missions, which aren't an obstacle in any cirumstance and in a way that does not block other players.

My example was of two brand new Guild Wars players, for whom the early missions may present a greater challenge while they are still learning. And whether the game is easy or not (and bad pugs can make it harder than it ought to be), the difference between horrors and fiends is HUGE, and ought not to be purchasable.

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Secondly, how is that 'edge', any different from the vast majority of PvE characters belonging to people that have played through the game once before?

It is the difference between earning an advantage ingame and handing Anet an extra ten bucks. A very important distinction in my book.

Of course if Loviatar is right, and these PVP unlocks act somehow different from normal PVP unlocks and don't affect skill trainers, then the point is moot.

penguo · Sep 01, 2006, 04:11 PM // 16:11

I'm not mad yet, but if this leads up to what im thinking it will (pve unlocks or items) I will quit.

Zinger314 · Sep 01, 2006, 04:18 PM // 16:18

Alright, as I said...many pages earlier, I collected many opinions from the general public. (since people claim that forums aren't an accurate representation...)

All of these are unique people and are from Kaieng Center:

I'll be in Heroes' Ascent gathering information when the event startes. I'll be Syria Blackblood: Wave if you see me.

Jeremy Untouchable · Sep 01, 2006, 04:33 PM // 16:33

I like it, allready purchased this full unlock pack. I am happy to pay a little money for this. if i couldnt afford it , i wouldnt buy it. Beats monthly fees all to heck

breaking-benjamin · Sep 01, 2006, 04:35 PM // 16:35

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Originally Posted by jeremy untouchable

I like it, allready purchased this full unlock pack. I am happy to pay a little money for this. if i couldnt afford it , i wouldnt buy it. Beats monthly fees all to heck

You bought it? and all skills come unlocked or you must unlock them with Faction Rewards?

Ty :_)

falling demon · Sep 01, 2006, 04:36 PM // 16:36

i think ALL PvP characters should start with every skill unlocked except for elites, which should be earnt through PvE or PvP faction

and me? ill never buy it, i usually unlock skills as i go, and form some sort of build around every new skill i buy, then i get experience with that skill, then buy another, and move on to that skill, and etc, so when i do eventually have UAS, i should have experience with most skills, but with buying them, you have absolutely no experience to any of the skills, and it costs you an extra 40$!

Taurus · Sep 01, 2006, 04:41 PM // 16:41

bunch of whining spoiled kids...

SirShadowrunner · Sep 01, 2006, 04:47 PM // 16:47

OMG they totally HOSED the GAME, o-wait, this is for PvP only, who cares, does not
matter at all, j/k, and I am all for anything that helps get rid of the Ebay help.

kovey00 · Sep 01, 2006, 04:50 PM // 16:50

THIS IS SO STUPID!!!! Being able to purchase skill unlocks in pvp is basically the equivalent of people purchasing platinum on e-bay for pve. If I remember correctly, that is against the rules. So what is the difference? A-net does not want anyone else making money off selling in game stuff because it is against the rules, but it is ok if they do it? It's just not right!!

Omega X · Sep 01, 2006, 04:57 PM // 16:57

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Originally Posted by penguo

I'm not mad yet, but if this leads up to what im thinking it will (pve unlocks or items) I will quit.

Same thing I said about 12 pages back.

Anet has started up a bad trend that's only gonna get worse over time without strong guidance.

IF they must sell things, sell things AWAY from the game. Soundtracks, tee shirts...something.

But if I see PvE things there, then its time to move on. Because its not about the game anymore. I'd rather pay a monthly fee.

Sagius Truthbarron · Sep 01, 2006, 05:01 PM // 17:01

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Originally Posted by kovey00

THIS IS SO STUPID!!!! Being able to purchase skill unlocks in pvp is basically the equivalent of people purchasing platinum on e-bay for pve. If I remember correctly, that is against the rules. So what is the difference? A-net does not want anyone else making money off selling in game stuff because it is against the rules, but it is ok if they do it? It's just not right!!

No it isn't. Its not "against the rules" for Anet to do anything. if they want to seel platnium in their store they will. The only difference is, being able to purchase UAX affects no one but the purchaser.

Frankly, I'de rather keep my $40 than wasting it. More thsn half of the skills for each class I will never seriously use.

Toilet Monster · Sep 01, 2006, 05:02 PM // 17:02

WDH??? all these NOOBS who can't unlock skills themselves are now able to spoil the game by buying their succes... ive unlocked EVERYTHING, i worked for it, its a status, now this status is for sale >.> i feel like i'm playing a CHEAP free crappy MMO for players that want to be good, but can't reach anything themselves.. GUILD WARS.. It was so nice.. WHY SPOIL THE ENTIRE PVP SYSTEM?? grr this is WRONG >.>

fonz · Sep 01, 2006, 05:05 PM // 17:05

When will people understand its not giving anyone an unfair advantage and stop comparing it to buying things in PvE. Its basicly a catch up tool for people who want to play PvP and bought factions like 1 month ago or something. I wish people would stop with all this bitching.

No A-net are never gonna sell PvE content.

No A-net are never gonna sell title's. so all you elitist rank RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOs, calm down! (we all know you IWAY'd it anyway)

Its a completely OPTIONAL extra so new players can play with the veterans quicker. So what, you 'grinded' for months to get UAS. Thats the whole point of this, people who enjoy unlocking skills still can, people who dont have the OPTION to buy them. Hey, if its such a grind, then why arnt you all jumping for joy?

Zinger314 · Sep 01, 2006, 05:06 PM // 17:06

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Originally Posted by Toilet Monster

WDH??? all these NOOBS who can't unlock skills themselves are now able to spoil the game by buying their succes... ive unlocked EVERYTHING, i worked for it, its a status, now this status is for sale >.> i feel like i'm playing a CHEAP free crappy MMO for players that want to be good, but can't reach anything themselves.. GUILD WARS.. It was so nice.. WHY SPOIL THE ENTIRE PVP SYSTEM?? grr this is WRONG >.>

Can I have your stuff?

[/WoWJoke]

This doesn't change the fact that your avatar is 16 stacks of Ectos...

Toilet Monster · Sep 01, 2006, 05:07 PM // 17:07

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Originally Posted by Omega X

Same thing I said about 12 pages back.

Anet has started up a bad trend that's only gonna get worse over time without strong guidance.

IF they must sell things, sell things AWAY from the game. Soundtracks, tee shirts...something.

But if I see PvE things there, then its time to move on. Because its not about the game anymore. I'd rather pay a monthly fee.

I'll leave the game when they start to sell PvE stuffs..

if it comes this far it will start to become a chaos ingame, you can't see who's experienced and who just bought his FoW set.

Loviatar · Sep 01, 2006, 05:17 PM // 17:17

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Originally Posted by kovey00

THIS IS SO STUPID!!!! It's just not right!!

and you havent thought this out at all or you would see that Anet had to do this

BY CHAPTER 5........

just the core classes will have gotten 1050 skills

450 with chapter 1 (75x6)
600 with the additional 4 chapters (25x6 each chapter)

these do not count the 2 new classes in each of the new chapters that have them.

if a person came in at chapter 5 and was serious about PVP he/she would have to buy back chapters and spend a very long time doing nothing but unlocking instead of doing what he/she got the game for to begin with.

people are bitching about how long it takes to unlock only 1 chapter so how do you expect someone new to unlock 5 just to play?